October 16, 2014

Young U.S. Catholics overwhelmingly accepting of homosexuality

Younger US Catholics more accepting of homosexualityThe Roman Catholic Church signaled a more accepting stance toward gay people in a report bishops released during the Vatican’s synod on the family this week. While reaffirming the church’s opposition to same-sex marriage, the report said that “homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community” and asked if the church is capable of “welcoming these people.”

The new document follows Pope Francis’ more inclusive language regarding homosexuality and has been praised by gay rights groups for its “dramatic new tone.” The report also moves the church toward a position on homosexuality already embraced by a majority of American Catholics, particularly younger adults.

Fully 85% of self-identified Catholics ages 18-29 said in a 2014 Pew Research Center survey that homosexuality should be accepted by society, compared with just 13% who said it should be discouraged. Older age groups are less likely to favor acceptance. But even among Catholics ages 65 and older, 57% say that homosexuality should be accepted.

Some of these differences may correlate with the frequency of church attendance. Our research has found that older Catholics attend Mass more frequently than do their younger counterparts, and that Catholics who attend Mass at least weekly are more likely to say that homosexuality should be discouraged than those who do not. But even among churchgoing Catholics of all ages – that is, those who attend Mass at least weekly – roughly twice as many say homosexuality should be accepted (60%) as say it should be discouraged (31%).

Similarly, despite the church’s continued opposition to same-sex marriage, most U.S. Catholics (57%) favor allowing gay and lesbian couples to legally wed, according to aggregated 2014 Pew Research surveys. And again, younger Catholics are particularly likely to express this view. Three-quarters of Catholic adults under 30 support legal same-sex marriage, compared with 53% of Catholics ages 30 and older (including just 38% of those 65 and older).

When we surveyed American Catholics earlier this year, before the one-year anniversary of Francis’ election as pope, we found that about half said the Catholic Church should recognize the marriages of gay and lesbian couples (with younger Catholics more likely to support such a change). But, relatively few U.S. Catholics of all ages (36%) said they expect the church to recognize gay marriages by 2050.

Topics: Catholics and Catholicism, Gay Marriage and Homosexuality

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    is a senior editor focusing on religion at Pew Research Center.

86 Comments

  1. Annie Louie6 months ago

    I think that in the older days not as many gays came out in the open because of fear. As time went one we all knew, went to school or grew up with a few ppl that ended up gay. They came from normal families with the normal problems we all face from time to time. I believe that as we accepted the gays more and more and they live in our communities we learned more about them. After all in the past it was just not spoken about. It would be easier for them to be straight but it is their choice. So many gays tried to kill themselves or ran away from everything they ever knew because of shame. But these days mothers and fathers are proud of their kids no matter what they chose in life as long as it is a decent lifestyle.
    The Catholic Church should be ashamed of one thing many pp. are not aware of, Setting up Mass Muslims Refugees inside America to forever change small town, cities and schools just for the pay out from the Federal Government. I know not all Muslims are bad but look into Europe and see how the Muslims thanked the good people of Europe. do you want this for our America? The same church that is helping them, they will burn it down in a few years because our Cross offends them.

  2. Tom Brechlin8 months ago

    Skewed at best

  3. joel rosenberg11 months ago

    they have already fired a priest because he said he was gay. So much for acceptance! God created gays and lesbians in his image why? because we were born that way. The bible written by heterosexual men not by jesus, he never said anything about gays.The church found it convenient to write the bible because there not gay. People in the church can’t understand people who are different then themselves as well as women who they see as second class people! They will and are punished by god for their predjudice!

  4. teresa1 year ago

    You would also note that there are more who do not attend mass.the point then is that most who participated on your survey lacks a deep knowledge of the catholic faith..therefore your result is unreliable. Please do not clothe your confusion with the truth of what the catholic church stands for.We catholics accept the person be it straight or homosexual but we do not accept nor condone homosexual behavior which is against Jesus’ Christ teaching.It is clear enough and cannot be misinterpreted.I personally have a gay friend and we still are friends and he is a catholic.a devout catholic.prays the rosary.active in church activity.young.17.goes to mass several times in a week not just on sunday.does pilgrimages.etc.he knows he is gay and knows that doing homosexual practices is against Christ teaching therefore a sin so he doesnt.Therefore being gay is not a sin in itself…it opens you to temptations but its up to you wether you execute the temptation or not.the catholic church is the body of Jesus Christ…and He is the head…Jesus is the Bridegroom and the Catholic Church is His Bride.God is Holy Just and the greatest of all He is Merciful.Therefore it is only JUST and EXPECTED for Jesus’s representative here on earth, the Church’s magesterium headed by the Pope, to be Holy Just and above all MERCIFUL.So do not ever expect the church to condemn sinners.Jesus established the church for us sinners.We are sick with sin and as we enter His church and ask for healing of our sickness He will heal us.So its clear sinners or saints all are welcome in Jesus’s Church but it doesnt change what the Church stands for NO TO SIN Which is death.Jesus is the WAY THE TRUTH AND LIFE.So coming to Jesus youre asking for life…its your choice to choose life or death.to choose truth or lies.Therefore the survey only proved one thing there is a decline in living the faith specially in the younger generation.The solution therefore is faith empowerment.I encourage catholics to know your faith.study! Grow deeper in your faith and practice! If you have questions.ask! If you have doubts ask! Do your research.ask a priest.go to a catechist.read! Read! Read! Go to the Holy tabernacle and ask Jesus Himself! But first pray! For humility and wisdom! Ask God to reveal the Truth to you! Wake up Catholics! We are at war! Arm yourself with the Armor of God through faith! I am here to encourage and to remind my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus.When He suffered on His passion one thing He did…HE PRAYED!!!

    1. Anonymous5 months ago

      I feel bad that you gotta live your life with so many limitations because of what the bible and whatever says. like that was written so many years ago and so many of the rules that are in there we don’t follow anymore. how are you choosing which ones to follow? idk I just think you should live your life how you want. that’s what I’m doing. I’m Catholic and a practicing gay. I don’t feel bad about it and guess what God still loves me

  5. Phil Mac1 year ago

    “the report said that ‘homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community’ and asked if the church is capable of ‘welcoming these people.'”

    Oh! How condescendingly generous of you!

    Here, Catholic Bishops, try this on for size: “All individuals are equal in the eyes of God and thus in the eyes of the Church. Period.”

    No, doesn’t fit? Can’t bring yourselves to that point? How odd…

    One more empty pew.

  6. Gale Ruman Lee1 year ago

    My belief as a Catholic is that the people are the church itself. We are not here to judge others. Young Catholics reflect the time in which we live more than those of us over 50. Hey have close and dear friends who may be homosexual or they be that way themselves. We will lose them if we can’t see this, deferring all judgment and opening our hearts (as Jesus himself would do)!

  7. Love1 year ago

    While most of the responses are very educational and well written, there are few nice words being said. It makes me sad that religion is a starting point for anger, discomfort, discrimination and even sometimes hate. Religion is a choice that humans make in order to have a pathway throughout life, in order to have a belief system. Religion is not for political debate, it is meant for communities to come together. It seems as if people have gotten lost along the way and, by no surpirse, turned religion into a shield for ignorance. WE are all equals, WE are all born into the same world. Stop treating each other poorly and using your words and actions to hurt others in the name of your chosen religion. Follow your religion how you believe to follow, you have no say in what others do. Instead of wasting your time and focussing on keeping a certain group of people out of your community, use your time to better yourself and spread the word that you truely believe in to anyone and everyone who will listen. They will do with the information as they choose. Many people need to take a step back and really understand what it is to be a Christian.

    1. Jimmy1 year ago

      Very nicely put. I agree with what you say. The only thing here is that I am scared for my brother. So many tell me that he is going to hell for being gay. For a Christian can’t be gay. They show me verses in the bible that maybe me wonder if there are right. I love him. I don’t want to lose him.

      1. Jennifer1 year ago

        Are there any other verses in the bible that you wonder are right or wrong? Or do you 100% agree with the bible, cover to cover?

  8. Nana1 year ago

    Many Catholics don’t know their own religion. Waiting or expecting the Catholic Church to accept marriage between people of the same sex it’s going to be in vain. The Church doesn’t make changes in matters of morality.

    1. Nathan Merrill1 year ago

      You clearly haven’t read Vatican II.

      1. Kate1 year ago

        I’ve not read the Vatican II documents either. But I’m very familiar with many of the changes. I’d say they were more changes in customs than they were changes in morality. Please outline the changes in morality here briefly.

  9. Ira1 year ago

    Religion is the opiate of the masses. Unfortunately, Americans are now addicted to the myth of jesus and god. This is the real problem in the world.

    1. Tim1 year ago

      Actually, the real problem in America is that increasingly more Americans ARE NOT additcted to the TRUTH of Jesus and God.. This is the real problem.

  10. gamusf1 year ago

    If the report is genuine and not MANUFACTURED, this is so sad, truly more and more people especially the young from western countries have been influenced by the evil one. Religion nowadays is just set aside. God our creator has given us free will to decide. He will judge each and everyone of us at the end of our lives. No money, propaganda and the like can save our soul. Truly many young people have become NOMINAL catholics, what rules is money and misguided quest for equality and of course what is popular. I pity these young people, they chose to join the bandwagon to hell. Ironically this immoral activity originated from a chirstian country in Europe in the early 2000. It seems the rich, powerful and influential nations are taking the lead in this defiance to God our creator. Remember the rich and powerful but sinful cities of Sodom and Gomorrah? I will pray for you.

    1. Jordan1 year ago

      Everything you just said is no different than telling us about a Science Fiction novel you just read.

    2. joel rosenberg11 months ago

      You are ignorant, do you know that gay people were born gay, just like you were born heterosexual, that’s why god made us and were supposed to be equal, but heterosexual men wrote the bible, that’s why we have so much suffering. Do you know that Jesus never mentioned gay people in any way, which proves that only prejudicial men wrote it for their satisfaction! They didn’t want women to be priests because they looked at them as lesser then they were, ignorant and prejudice these men were. They looked at blacks the same way, until some sense of reality came over them. Believe in god not the bible that will show was not written by god!

      1. Kameron Weaver4 months ago

        I’M SO SICK OF YOU PEOPLE SAYING GOD FORCED THE SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY ON HIS CHILDREN TO JUSTIFY THEIR FAILURES TO REPENT OR TO EVEN JUSTIFY ACCEPTANCE OF THEIR SINS!! JESUS DIED FOR US TO TAKE AWAY OUR SINS BUT YOU STILL DENY HOMOSEXUALITY IS SIN!! NOTHING YOU BELIEVE WILL MATTER FOR THESE PEOPLE WHEN IT’S JUDGEMENT TIME!Homosexuality is a sin and none of our opinions matter, what matters is God’s word. Some of you claim God made them that way but if you knew God like you claim to you do you would know he wouldn’t bestow wickedness, evilness does. His son, Jesus is our deliverer from sin don’t you see your acceptance of sin will be your downfall don’t accept repent and give to Jesus. Please I’m not saying this or taking the time out of my day to criticize or redicule homosexuals but to help, I love you guys you are my family and many as possible should be saved.

  11. me2 years ago

    Please read and be informed before attempting to make an educated response: m.theatlantic.com/past/issues/97…

    “There certainly could be different paths to the same outcome. With individual cases, there are doubtless some that are mostly or all genes, and others that might be all environment.”

    “The findings suggest that homosexuality is highly attributable to genetics — by some measures up to 70 percent attributable, according to Pillard. This figure is based on something geneticists call “heritability,” a painstakingly calculated indicator of how much genes have to do with a given variation among people. If heritability is less than 100 percent, then the characteristic being studied is by definition “multifactorial.”

    “we cannot rely on science to supply full answers to fundamental questions involving human rights, human freedom, and human tolerance. The issue of gay people in American life did not arise in the laboratory. The principles needed to resolve it will not arise there either.”

    In conclusion, neither science nor religion is known to be fully 100% true. All you can rely on is the main purpose of sex: for love AND reproduction. One may have sex without love or one may have sex without reproduction. BUT, without reproduction, our species would be extinct. Reproduction cannot take place without heterosexual sex, the act of joining the egg with sperm (unless it is a lab experiment). So, heterosexual sex is a necessary aspect for reproduction, whereas homosexual sex is not. When you understand the purpose of reproduction, you will understand the purpose of sex.

    Most importantly, there are many ways to express love other than sex.

  12. Gearmoe2 years ago

    Tolerate is a better term. The LGBT community is not the majority but some would have you think it is. There exists an undercurrent which does not agree with or like LGBT. The far left liberal extremists promote as normal, even fashionable. As children mature they are exposed to this propaganda and either decide it is a choice to make or something to experiment with, the rest are a bit confused and are left to tolerate. It is fair to see everyone as human and equal, but the exaggerations of the LGBT communities needs to end.

    1. Nathan Merrill1 year ago

      Every Republican I know my age and younger supports gay marriage.

      Every Democrat I know my age and younger supports gay marriage.

      I don’t think this is even a sectarian issue at this point – a lot of the Republicans see it as kind of embarrassing that people aren’t getting with the times.

  13. Finny2 years ago

    There are animals in the wild that practice homosexuality…look it up. Giraffes, for example.

  14. Cajaquarius2 years ago

    Good is finally overcoming evil. Let the Roman pharisees keep lying and plying their Aristotelian idolatry to push their hatred. Man worshippers and followers of the false apostle Paul, everyone of them. The internet has killed your lies.

  15. Michael2 years ago

    I would like to know how each respondant understood “accepted”. Does “accepted” mean that homosexual activity is not disordered or sinful, but rather a perfectly healthy option for expressing love? Does “accepted” mean recognizing that homosexuality, while a disordered desire, is a very real part of some people’s lives & Catholics need to have compassion for those who struggle to live chaste lives? I think “accepted” is vague. Personally, I am 33 years old & my opinion is the latter. I think that homosexual desires are disordered desires because we are made to sexually relate only the opposite sex. However, we all have things that we struggle with. Some are more public than others. Some affect our day-to-day lives in greater ways, but we all have struggles. Part of being in the Catholic community is understanding that while we have personal relationships with God, we also have a communal relationship with God & need to “suffer with” (have compassion) for our brother or sister.

    1. Stanley James2 years ago

      not bad but who are you to judge? Pope Francis said not to judge and he said that gay families contribute to society

      While I dont expect him to accept religious marriage of gay people, the issue there is its all about civil law marriage, and the real benefit is it gives gay people not just legal benefits but hope for better days in the future.

      According to the CDC about 8000 to 9000 kids commit suicide every year for all causes According to my Brother, a psychologist, about 3000 of them are known gay and another 4000 are suspected as having been gay closet cases

      Even relationship recognition, eg civil unions in italy (the only western Eu nation without relationship recognition is Italy and tiny monaco, will help reduce these numbers

      Peace.

    2. Joe1 year ago

      Well stated Michael, I was wondering the same thing. In a world where homosexuality and sexual orientation mean the same thing to many these types of questions need to be stated clearly. I would like to know what the result would be if asked “should homosexual activity be accepted”.

  16. Njeko2 years ago

    What is really happening in the christain world?why has something the the Bible classifies as a sin suddently become normal by refering to the acceptance of homosexuality as “an expression of the grace of Christ”?The words of Jesus recorded in the Bible announce that in the last day it would be like this:”it was the same as happened in the days of Lot….it will be just the same on the day that the son of man is revealed”(Luke 17:28-30).How were the days of Lot as we find it in the book of Genesis.The inhabitants of sodom tried to break down Lot’s door to seize two men who were guest in his home & to have sex with them.that is why the word sodomy is sometimes used as a synoym for homosexuality.In the days of Lot homosexuality was acceptable & God showed His diasagreement with that kind of human behavior.Jesus foretold that the last days would be like the days of Lot.people think that they are free of doing what ever they want not knowing that they are prisoners of pleasure.A country or a gouvernment or an individual can guarantee freedom of the body but not of the soul.Those who live under totalitarian regimes suffer no more
    than those who live in sociaties with full freedom.why?because human beings are prisoners of their complexes,tendencies,selfishness,ambitions,envies &everything that constitutes the dark side of human psychology.
    Such captives can never be truly happy.In their frustration many of them turn to a life of pleasure & give free rein to immorality.

    1. Bill Debbie Pendleton2 years ago

      Because any intelligent person realizes the Bible is full of nonsense and contradictions as any book written in the Bronze Age would be viewed in modern terms. Using the Bible to prove the existence of God is like using Harry Potter to prove the existence of Hogwarts. Here is a partial list:
      GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
      GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn’t created until the fourth day.
      GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
      GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
      GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
      GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
      GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
      GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.
      GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
      GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
      GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
      LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)
      GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
      GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
      (Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience as well as with the fact that God allegedly does not change his mind: NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17.)

    2. Nathan Merrill1 year ago

      Jesus never condemned homosexuality himself, and indeed, suggested that such behavior would be un-Christian. He forgave adulterers and prostitutes. He was a nice guy.

      In any case, the Catholic Church (and almost all modern denominations) have recognized that times change and denounce most of the older, more ridiculous religious laws (you know, like slavery being okay).

  17. Eddie2 years ago

    This is truly hilarious. This is why Catholics have lost respect through out the world. They’re actions always go against their biblical teachings!

    1. jmg2 years ago

      Lost respect throughout the world? Religion, including Catholicism, is essential to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. Does “through out the world” mean one person on every continent?

    2. Michael2 years ago

      I would be careful to generalize too much. There are billions of Catholics in the world & they fall in a spectrum. Pope Francis can call himself a Catholic. However, the person who was baptized as a Catholic, then never received any formation since that time could call himself Catholic, too. Unfortunately, that reality can scandalize folks for you have a “Catholic” not necessarily depicting Catholicism.

    3. Stanley James2 years ago

      WEll they havent lost respect now with a pope who is suppotting civl unions in italy

      who has demoted several rotten bishops eg Edmund Burke formerly of St. Louis who called gays intrinsically disordered and evil – lost his job got a ceremonial post with zero power

      the world moves on the anti gays anti marriage equality people are a dwindling lot of old folks who we wont have to deal with much longer.

      BTW a majority of western European nations have marriage equality for gay people, the only significant nations without it there are italy (CUs coming, Ireland (referendum next year and 76% support marriage, Add Finland – still RPs due to soviet domination for decades and Germany where the long arm of the stasi and east germany absorbed have prevented marriage equality

    4. traveler72 years ago

      As a Catholic it is sad that my fellow Catholics do not accept God’s word.

  18. Carl2 years ago

    If you truly believe what you say you believe, then you should be full of gratitude that it’s all going to END “around the corner”.

  19. Listen up itzik2 years ago

    You do realize that as a Catholic, the Pope is the vigor of Christ? How dare you contradict him. If you are truly conservative Catholic, you will follow Gods mouth-piece! You can’t have your cake and eat it too! Grow up!

  20. itzik janowitz2 years ago

    Unfortunately the Catholics have gotten away from the Catholic Catechism, and the leaders of the Catholic Church have abandoned the true church. This is the apostasy that had been spoken of by Mary at Fatima, which was never fully published by the church. What the catholic church has had since Vatican council II is Anti-Pope’s, and Bishops and Pastors that have become administrators instead of teachers of the faith. As a Conservative catholic I watch all of the people leaving mass right after communion, and just about no one receiving the Host on their tongues much less on their knee’s as I do. The majority of Catholics are but sheep without shepherds, and are just doing as they please. I blame the catholic voters for the poor president that is in power, and is about as capable of leading and protecting our country as I would be, and in retrospect I believe I could do a better job which shows how poorly he is in his position. If the Catholics vote as they have in the past, then this country will be a fully SOCIALISTIC AMERICA, and you can kiss your country good-bye, and look yourselves in the mirror, and blame yourselves not that it would do you any good because it would be too late. The decision will be made next month if the Republicans can take back the Senate. That would help, but you still have the Socialistic Media to deal with, who spew out Lies after Lies, make up their own stories, instead of reporting the truth. SOUND BAD? It is actually WORSE than that.
    God have Mercy on America!

    1. San Diego Catholic2 years ago

      What is the basis for the sweeping statements you make here? Is it entirely just your opinion or beliefs? What unbelievable arrogance you must have to presume that you are correct and everyone else is wrong, including the Pope! Do you practice the Roman Catholic faith? The Pope’s leadership is not optional, he is the rock of the church, the human intermediary of the Lord here on earth, infallible on matters of the faith. Why have you conflated Catholic attitudes on gay marriage with US politics or a president who is not even catholic? Do you have a different agenda? How dishonest you seem to me in presenting your political agenda as a person of faith. I suppose honesty is one of those Vatican II things you conservative types don’t like? I don’t think these are actions taken in the image of God at all. Examine what type of person you are before you judge others, if you are capable of being honest with yourself you might realize that compassion is utterly absent from your communications and we have a compassionate God.

    2. ChicagoCatholicone2 years ago

      I totataly agree with you! How many Catholics check the voting record of their representatives to see if they vote for issues that stand with Catholic principles or against them? I would bet not many! Wise Catholic leaders from the past (Including Fr. Jim Lord ) said that the Communists would take over this country from within…. not by force… and I believe that is what is happening. Check the teachings of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen from the 50’s & 60’s…. and his views on Communism & Socialism…they are very relevant to current times.

    3. Nathan Merrill1 year ago

      Jesus was pretty socialistic. Frankly, I’m baffled by people who claim to be Christians but who don’t seem to really care much for the poor.

      Also, the US has been a mixed economy since the 1930s; you missed the boat by about 80 years.

  21. njeko2 years ago

    still to substantiate on the facts.The bible teaches that God loves homosexuals,like every other human being,are objects of His love & mercy.But Jesus came to our world not only to forgive sinners but to transform them & make them new creatures.The apostle Paul explains it simply:He gave life to you when you were dead in your trespasses & sins in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world,indulging the desires of flesh & of the mind & are darkened in their understanding excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them & have given themselves over to sensuallity for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness.But u did not learn Christ in this way.
    Evidently social pressure to accept something that the bible condemns is the fulfillment of the sign of the END TIME.If homosexuality existed in the animal world it would have been understood.
    Our generation has lost touch with its own nature.It lives entirely for physical pleasure.

    1. Derek Williams2 years ago

      Please use Google to verify that homosexuality is found in the animal kingdom, in over 1,500 species. Kindly also Google “APA Homosexuality”, and “UC Davis Homosexuality”, and in Wikipedia, “Religion and homosexuality”, and you will see that homosexuality is just as a normal variant as left handedness, and just as harmless.

      Sins, like lying, stealing, killing and cheating are always acts that harm other people. Two homosexuals who form a relationship with each other are harming absolutely no-one at all, and therefore are not sinning. For me to be seen in your eyes as not sinning, I would have to choose between marrying a female for whom I feel neither romantic nor sexual attraction (assuming she would even want to be married by a gay man in the first place), and becoming a priest, for which I do not have a vocation.

      If a teaching harms people, as anti-gay catechism has harmed homosexuals, and the flat earth belief harmed Giordano Bruno and Galileo (please Google them too), then it should be changed. Teaching gay children that they are “intrinsically ordered towards evil” when we are nothing of the kind is the process that Pope Francis appears to be willing to re-examine, and as a long ago ex-Catholic, I welcome this. Moreover, this has become the majority view of US Catholics, and other developed countries, and it remains for the rest of the world to think again about this.

      1. Listen up itzik2 years ago

        Yeah, I definitely laughed out loud at two things. First the “END TIMES” thing. Spoookkkyy…

        Second thing was the, “If it was in the animal kingdom..”

        Because seriously, in opinion based debates it’s so rare to find something to be objectively RIGHT about. And that’s one of them.

      2. Michael2 years ago

        True, but we’re not animals. Humans are different because we have rational souls.

  22. carly2 years ago

    I don’t understand. What’s up is down, down is up, inside is out, out is in, left is right, wrong is now right. Large groups of people that have a loud political voice and go against everything God has taught about morals, faith, love, church and family and the church is embracing this. None of this makes sense, but in the end times it is not suppose to make sense and the only ones that will be able to stand with God are the one that truly know and believe that this is all wrong and hypocritical and everyone has turned their back on Him.
    God please forgive us

    1. Laura2 years ago

      No no. None of THIS makes sense.

    2. Carl2 years ago

      Homosexuality exists in both the “animal world” and the human world (rational people refer to it as Earth). Your Jesus and God beliefs are just that – your beliefs. They have nothing to do with what actually exists.

      Feel free to believe whatever nonsense you like. But you DO NOT have the right to force others to believe your nonsense.

    3. Carl2 years ago

      Yes Carly. If you would stop being a bigot and realize that God created homosexuals and that people like you should not go against what God has created, then maybe the world would be a much better place.

    4. Louis Friend2 years ago

      praise almighty grape!

  23. Raymond2 years ago

    Unfortunately most Catholics are proudly living in mortal sin themselves. + very few are awake to their faith and what it means to know and follow Jesus Christ. Go and sin no more… Remember there is no such thing as homosexual marriage. There never will be as it is contrary to what God thinks is right and just and moral.

  24. Rosemary2 years ago

    People please. When God created humans, he didn’t say he has to create another man to be with Adam, He created Eve. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve. Please lets think and reason with God for a moment.

    1. Derek Williams2 years ago

      Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain & Abel. Cain killed Abel, leaving only one child, whose only available female partner was his mother Eve. Therefore, God was right there at the start with incest. After that, you get God’s Marriage Laws:
      • No marriage will be sanctioned between people who have been divorced. (Matthew 5:32)
      • No marriage shall be sanctioned between Christians & non-Christians. (2 John 1:9-11, 2 Corinthians 6:14-17)
      • No marriage shall be sanctioned in which the wedding ceremony shall occur during the women’s menstrual cycle (Leviticus 18:19, 20:18, & Ezekiel 18:5-6)
      • No marriage shall be sanctioned of people of different races. (Deuteronomy 7:3, Numbers 25:6-8, 36:6-8, 1 Kings 11:2)
      • A married couple who have sexual intercourse during a woman’s period shall both be executed. (Leviticus 18:19)
      • No marriage shall be sanctioned involving a widow (unless it is to her brother-in-law). All women whose husbands have passwed away shall refrain from intimacy & pleasure for the remainder of their lives. (1 Timothy 5:5-15)
      • No marriage shall be sanctioned for any man who has had sexual thoughts of any woman other than his intended (Matthew 5:28)
      • A woman not a virgin on her wedding night must be executed. (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)
      • If a married person has sex with someone else’s husband or wife, both adulterers be stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 22:22)
      • A virgin who is raped must marry her rapist. Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
      • If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy’s genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her. (Deuteronomy) 25:11-12)
      • A virgin who is raped must marry her rapist. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
      • If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir. (Mark 12:18-2)
      • “Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.” Penalty, stoning to death. (Luke 16:18)
      • “An illegitimate child shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.” (Deuteronomy 23:2) – If your father, grandfather, great-grandfather etc. was ever a bastard child, you are not allowed to enter God’s church.

      – BUT Polygamy strongly endorsed by God:
      • Solomon … had 700 wives … and 300 concubines. (1 Kings 11:2-3)
      • Rehoboam … took 18 wives, and 60 concubines. (2 Chronicles 11:21)
      • But Abijah waxed mighty, and married 14 wives…. (2 Chronicles 13:21)

      youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

      1. Listen up+itzik2 years ago

        Derek, good on you for teaching him about his own religion. Sunday school understanding is insufficient. If he actually read it, he’d have to glaze his eyes over the “hard to understand”parts, the parts that conveniently hold all this Hitler-esque God stuff.

        Still, he’ll just look at your textual evidence that comes straight from his SUPREME TROOF, and shake his head. “God works in mysterious ways.”, he’ll say.

      2. jmg2 years ago

        Your cites are very situation-specific. Any equally-specific biblical references to gayness or same-sex parenting?

      3. John Korey1 year ago

        Several of the passages cited by Mr. Williams are very misleading or simply inaccurate:
        1) 1 Timothy 5:3-16. Paul actually advocates remarriage for younger widows (5:14). Most of the section cited is about older widows (which Paul defines as 60 and over) and focuses on the obligation of the widow’s family members (or, in their absence, the Christian community) to care for her. It doesn’t address the question of whether elderly widows should remarry.
        2) Matthew 5:28. Not what Matthew writes. This is the “lust in the heart” passage that caused people who didn’t understand it either to mock Jimmy Carter for citing it. It makes no mention of a man not being allowed to marry if he’s ever had sexual thoughts. Instead, it’s one of several examples used by Jesus to say that it’s not just your behavior that’s important, but what’s in your heart.
        3) Luke 16:18. The quoted part of this citation is accurate, but Luke does not prescribe stoning as a penalty for adultery. In fact John 8:1-11 shows Jesus rescuing from stoning a woman caught in adultery.
        4) Mark 12:18-27. The words referenced are not those of Jesus, but of his critics, who are trying to trip him up by posing a highly improbable hypothetical.

    2. Paul2 years ago

      stop trying to impose your beliefs on everyone else.

  25. Tom More2 years ago

    I just shake my head when I read the fervored opinions and declarations below. Perhaps because I was fortunate enough to have been able to study philosophy. Catholic doctrine sees God as the final cause, or ordering principle of all life. The intellect is for knowing, the eyes for seeing, etc. If any sane person would like to present any evidence at all that the male rectum is designed for male sexual penetration (See AIDS stats.) then please enlighten us. It’s about that straightforward and so blaringly obvious, that one can hardly expect people blind to this most obvious fact of human nature.. yes.. we have one… to grasp subtler points. With the see of appropriate sympathy that saw the better part of a million young US men dying.. we moved to accpet the people, which the church had already done and continues to do. From this.. we now seek to endorse sexual practices that we are not even remotely designed for just as the bogus twin studies and high abuse correlations (Otaco NZ 2010, Denmark registry 2006) are showing homosexual attraction to be what it always has been, a severely disordered develpmental relationship to life with high suicide , addiction, depression and drug abuse highly associated along with significant personality disorders. Reason over passion folks. Let’s try to help the young kids who are currently suffering the abuse. The church’s light is not prejudicial, it’s just clear and intelligently compassionate.

    1. Derek Williams2 years ago

      1. How do these “acts” directly affect you personally, since you’re evidently not having “gay sex” yourself?
      2. Sex for procreation is an animal function, whereas sex for love is what makes us uniquely human – regardless of gender or the nature of sexual expression, along with compassion and mutual respect, two qualities you might well consider adopting for yourself. The love expressed between two human beings is a beautiful thing. It’s really sad you do not presently understand this.
      3. There is nothing homosexuals do that heterosexuals do not also do. Do you not kiss? So do we. Do you not embrace in love? So too do we. Oral sex? Yes, us too. Do you hold hands walking down the street with your partner? Well, we’d like to, but risk being abused in the street by hateful people.
      4. As for anal intercourse and homosexuality, lesbians don’t practise sodomy. Come to that, statistically speaking, most anal intercourse is practised by heterosexual couples as a quick trip to your local adult store will quickly attest, and not all gay men prefer it. With a condom, it’s perfectly safe and enjoyable otherwise no-one would practise it.
      5. Before you get all precious about whatever the “proper use” of the sexual organs is, just keep in mind that the penis is used to vacate urine from the body far more often than it is used for making babies. When it comes to the “proper use” for procreation, if you have 3 kids, then its job is done so far as procreation is concerned. Zip up your pants after that, if you think it has no further use apart from peeing out of. Otherwise, you have to accept that sex is a mutual contract of love and sexual attraction between two consenting adult human beings and how we express it is no business of yours or your government’s, and nor should you or your government continue to deny us access to the goods and services we participate in creating through our labour and our taxes.

      High suicide rate and substance abuse is caused by societal and familial rejection and persecution. Out of 2.6 million US homeless youth, over 40% are LGBT kicked out by their own parents because of religion. I invite you to explain to me what “personality disorders” you think I have, and how this impacts on my supportive family, friends, colleagues and employers.

      1. erwin2 years ago

        Thanks Derek for your reasoned responses. I read the pontifications here with sadness. Most of the anti-gay comments here are made by people who do not know anyone who is gay. They make moral judgments about persons whose hearts they cannot read. They make judgments about situations they do not understand or care to understand. It also hurts me that they use the Bible, a record of a people’s journey to understand God and God’s will in their lives, a record of their faith in a transcendent and loving God, to argue for the science of human sexuality. It is as if the nature that the bible teaches about gender is the definitive science of human sexuality. Why do they not also take what the bible teaches about the nature of the world – it being flat with water beneath and over it? But no. They would easily embrace that rather than accept the nature of a human person’s sexuality as it is and, in so doing, extend to him the love and welcome of God who made him as he is.

        1. Stanley James2 years ago

          end times from that extremmist lefaye a christian trying to terrorize people into extremism and hate of gays, just like the bible “justifed” slavery per the bible

          thanks Derek btw -the right wingers are the type of people whose act of xtian love when they find out a child is gay is to put them out on the street the day they turn 18. According to PFLAG it happens about 24% of the time

      2. Stanley James2 years ago

        BTW Derek check the CDc website – about 24% of women and 44% of men admit to anal sex

        Xtians are still trying to ban even condoms. the “beauty” fo what they are doing is more people will discover with anal sex that its really what they want – eg they, at least the men, are gay

        the real numbers – 7.5% from brazil in a recent news artcle, 8% in Denmark per govt ministers I spoke to at pride in copenhagen in 2012 and almost 9% in Iceland where being gay is zero stigma and they passed marriage =49 to zero in 2010

  26. Jenn2 years ago

    “Self identifying”, can encompass many things, including non Catholics who claim to be to lend weight to an argument attacking Catholic faith. I’ve seen breakdowns of how Pew fraudulently twists poll data to achieve the outcomes it desires, they’re unscientific and a joke./

  27. Amy2 years ago

    I’ve been a devote Catholic for a year. I signed up for as a Misssioner at age 56 for a retreat at our Catholic Church. The weekend of the Retreat was last weekend and by my surprise after 1 whole year of learning and serving the Catholic Church they took my responsibilities
    away from me to make sure I did not participate in the retreat because I was Gay. This has torn me apart. Some people say I am over reacting but what it comes down to it, was when they knew I was Gay why then they couldn’t say I’m a sinner and I was going to Hell. I forgive and my forgiveness is the only way I can make my self whole at this time. This 2014 and I would have thought that they would understand that all Gays are not the same.
    I believe I have been shunned. New Orleans-Kennedy

    1. Tom More2 years ago

      Hi Amy
      Sorry to be blunt, but I mean it with kindness. You are not “gay” any more than you are “caserole eater” or movie goer. These are things you do that are somewhat embedded. Read the NARTH website. A huge ammount of “gay” kids… the vast majority do not see themselves as “gay” within a couple of years. Don’t let yourself be conned by the cultural dogma. There are only two modes of being human, male and female. And you will always be loved by God, and hopefully all people who claim to follow him, just as we are. Do check out NARTH though, and Voices-of-Change.. If you were identifying as “gay”, and there really is no such thing as you are sure to learn, then this would indeed be a reason to respond to those in authority for the events. I would, but not because I didn’t value or respect or love you. The loving idea of God for mankind is expressed through the church, and she is speaking from deep love on this issue. I hope you can remain open to this possibility though I’m sure it must be tough right now. Hang in kid. We really do all love you a lot.

      1. Derek Williams2 years ago

        Even the Catholic Church itself accepts that homosexuals are born this way. You need to study this in more depth, in particular the encyclical authored by Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict) and promulgated by John Paul II, “Towards the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons”.

        Unless you are me, you cannot speak for me and what I have experienced. You have no experience of being gay, so you cannot say for certain that being gay was a decision I made.

        No-one told me to be gay. All my childhood experience was modeled by heterosexual people in heterosexual relationships. I went to a Catholic school that never mentioned homosexuality, not even once. Every book I read, every work of theatre, film and television I saw, all portrayed only heterosexual relationships, extolling marriage between a man and a woman. Notwithstanding all this heterosexual propaganda and behavioural engineering to be straight, I nevertheless turned out to be 100% gay.

        No-one in their right mind would choose to be gay. Look at all the violence, abuse, repression, ostracism that LGBT suffer across the world. If there is an easy “choice” it is ALWAYS heterosexuality, where you get congratulated by society every single day, just for being the way you born. Even in societies that tolerate gay people, we’re still faced with “coming out” and all that connotes.

        Your sexual orientation is not a ‘lifestyle’ you choose, like living near the beach, or buying a fashionable new pair of shoes, it is an innate romantic attraction that you discover at puberty.

        Does a baby boy know at birth whether he will be a baritone, a tenor or a bass? Can he choose this at puberty? Does a tadpole choose to become a frog? Is the frog “born this way”? Does a caterpillar decide to metamorphose into a butterfly? Like eye colour, and skin colour, these attributes are fused into the DNA of living creatures without our consent. Some we don’t discover until puberty, but we never choose them. Your only choice is in a partner.

        Like a left handed person who can pretend to be right handed to avoid discrimination, a gay person can protect him or herself by pretending to be heterosexual, marrying an opposite sex partner they feel nothing for. This has led to the idea that people choose to have specific attractions to other people on demand. that attractions don’t occur naturally and spontaneously.

        I can’t speak for anyone else, but I can for myself. I knew I was attracted to males before I even knew what sex was. This is the way I was born, and I can’t change it.

      2. erwin2 years ago

        I cannot believe you can be so blind to your neighbor and claim to know him and love him. You cannot love those that you ignore. I and many like myself are here. And you cannot tell us we’re not who we know very intimately we are. Thank you, but your “love” rings hollow.

      3. Carl2 years ago

        Well, you are completely wrong. There are NOT simply “male and female”. Many humans are born intersex or both sexes and actually feel the need to choose.

        1. Stanley James2 years ago

          at pride in DC for the first time last summer, there were a group of people with “bisexual” on their T shirt

          BTW been to Iceland 2011 (crime all but non existant) and they passed marriage equality 49 to 0

          Been to Copenhagen DK 2012 passed marriage equality 85 to 22 Again almost zero crime

          Similar to Sweden with marriage equality about 2006 again crime is all but absent

          Compare that with the USA. Which nations btw will be the last to have equal marriage Putins russia and the nation that gave us 15 of the 19 9-11 people

          All the right wingers are welcome to go to those very bad places IMO

  28. Grant Norris2 years ago

    Christianity and Homosexuality themanthology.blogspot.com/2014/…

    1. Derek Williams2 years ago

      BTW, the Comments box on your link is dead. I tried logging in in several ID’s and none worked.

    2. Stanley James2 years ago

      your entitiledd to your beliefs and entitled to be part of a dimishing minority

      Why dont you focus on how the str8s are destroying marriage with a national 53% divorce rate , higher in the bible belt south

      And lowest in MA where marriage equality is the law for 10 years 36%

      sky isnt falling

  29. Abe Kennedy2 years ago

    Henk Heithuis died in 1958 in his early twenties, tormented for years by the sexual abuse of Catholic priests. After he tried to expose his abusers, he was castrated in a Catholic hospital by a Catholic doctor under the advice of a Catholic psychiatrist to”cure him of his perverse sexuality.” Der Spiegel,May 4th, 2012

    spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft…

    In the Netherlands alone it is estimated that since 1945 between 10,000 and 20,000 children have been sexually abused by Catholic priests enabled by their prelates. Der Spiegel, Dec 17, 2011

    spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/unter…

  30. capoprimo2 years ago

    If true, it’s a sad commentary on Catholicism, there are four specific references in the Bible that admonish homosexuality as a sin. If they indeed are accepting of the homosexual practices, they are ignorant of the dictate of their faith; but then they are ignorant of the most basic knowledge, since schools have achieved their goal, the dumbing down of our children!

    1. Vincent2 years ago

      Or perhaps these young people are better educated than some biblical fundamentalists?

      The Pontifical Biblical Commission’s “The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church”: “Fundamentalism also places undue stress upon the inerrancy of certain details in the biblical texts … . A non-critical reading of certain texts of the Bible serves to reinforce political ideas and social attitudes that are marked by prejudices … quite contrary to the Christian Gospel. The fundamentalist approach is dangerous, for it is attractive to people who look to the Bible for ready answers to the problems of life. It can deceive these people, offering them interpretations that are pious but illusory … fundamentalism actually invites people to a kind of intellectual suicide. It injects into life a false certitude, for it unwittingly confuses the divine substance of the biblical message with what are in fact its human limitations.”

      An excellent rebuttal of simplistic biblical interpretations on matters gay can be found in Fr James Alison’s ““But the Bible says…”? A Catholic reading of Romans 1” at jamesalison.co.uk/pdf/eng15.pdf

      1. Ray Glinski Jr2 years ago

        The Pontifical Biblical Commission is pure poppycock. They build a straw man and call it Fundamentalism. Then they wax sanctimonious about their rational for ignoring & rebelling against God’s word. I’ve never regretted leaving the corrupt RCC.

      2. Thomas R2 years ago

        The belief that homosexual activity is a sin was pretty much universal in all Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, possibly Baha’i counts as one) before 1960. One doesn’t have to be Fundamentalist, I’m not, to accept it is the historic teaching of Christianity. We see in pre-Reformation faiths like the Copts, the Russian Orthodox, and yes us Catholics. So it doesn’t require Biblical Fundamentalism, which is largely a reaction against the theological modernism of the late nineteenth to early twentieth century, as Orthodoxy at least I don’t think even had the Modernist/Fundamentalist debate. At least not at that level.

    2. Carl2 years ago

      Hope you never eat any shell fish… because according to “The Book” you’re going to Hell.

  31. Hillary2 years ago

    Of course we Catholics accept those with same gender attractions! They are children of God.
    We are asked to lead a chaste life, whether married or single.
    We do no have to act on our inclinations if they do not adhere to the teachings of the church. Man and woman are complementary.

    1. Derek Williams2 years ago

      A married couple leading a so-called “chaste life” would mean having sex only to make babies and the stopping. So if you want two kids, you have sex twice and then cease. A homosexual couple leading a so-called “chaste life” would mean having no natural expression of our romantic or sexual attraction to each other.

      1. Listen up+itzik2 years ago

        Derek, I love your activism. But she just meant “chaste” as in virtuous. She gave you an inch. Don’t take a mile and make her regret it.

    2. erwin2 years ago

      Well and good for the “heterosexual” who can opt to have sex and still be chaste in a married relationship. In the context of his marriage, where sex is sacred, he can have sex. Alas, marriage or sacramentalized union between homosexuals is not an option. Therefore, to them, sexual abstinence is not an option but an imposition. Do you think God made a man or a woman a homosexual with an equally deep capacity to love and with sexual desire only so that he can tell him to live a life of abstinence? What kind of a God is that? Your message is the kind that pushes people away from the embrace of the God that loves all. And it is the kind that hurts.

  32. Bobby2 years ago

    The public schools and entertainment culture are influencing the opinion of the younger generations.If you change public schools back to not supporting the gay culture the opinions will change.

    1. Carl2 years ago

      Really? So do all gay people live together on an island someplace, isolated from the rest of the population? No. They have parents, brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, grandparents, cousins, neighbors, friends… for every gay person there are at least 2 or more straight people that know and love them. Thankfully, attitudes like yours are dying out.

  33. Wes Bevans2 years ago

    I am amazed that the Pope, a white male over age 65 is so aware of the changes the world is going through. It show that when logic and intelligence are used, he can see the writing on the wall and do some thinking about it.
    RC’s have been ignoring the church stance on marriage and divorce for years.

    I see that he understands that if the Church is to stay relevant it has to serve the population of today. Unfortunately many of the flock is not as accepting.

    1. Stanley James2 years ago

      Hes’ a great man in many ways pope Francis. who am I to judge. supports civil unions in italy and its going to happen, Said gay families contribute to society. Demoted an extreme right winger Bishop edmund burke who echoed the german popes “gay is intrinsicaly evil and disordered which btw created what a 25 year old gay I know said about his parents “I woulddnt give my catholic parents the pleasure of seeing me dead”

      good nite to all especially the good people here while the ranters, mostly of the religion of our old confederacy show how backwards they are re accepting gays as just another part of Gods creation